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Your aspirations are commendable, but I don't think it is realistic to take ~90% of your content (and the community that created it) and simply toss it out telling everyone "you're doing it wrong." The story that we've convinced ourselves is that… "as soon as we stop everyone who’s using this site wrong, Will Shortz and Mike Shenk will show up." ...


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I'm wholeheartedly in the group "for-spoiler-tags". For me, the harm of "readers needs to move their mouse to see" is strongly outweighed by the harm of "accidently reading/seeing" a solution. Someone looking for "the" answer needs to do this on a singly (accepted) post only, whereas it is (close-to-)impossible to "not look at" a solution. Please ignore ...


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No. Firstly, I must commend our moderating team on their boldness and their dedication to the success of the stack. They knew that saying this would immediately lead to an army of puzzlers running to gnaw their heads off starting with the jugular. It's understandable. I've been sharpening my set of pearly whites too. That's balls. That's dedication. Here's ...


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If "no challenge questions" is the official site philosophy, I can certainly accept that. I consider it somewhat unfortunate since the only reason I come here is for the challenge questions, but I'll find a new watering hole somewhere. ;) Generally speaking, I don't see that the SE format works at all well for the designated "primary purpose" when it comes ...


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I suspected this was coming, however I don't see how Puzzling.SE can actually survive in the format that you're describing. I go to Stack Overflow for help with programming - I program all day every day, and sometimes I don't know something, which makes SO perfect for a Q&A site about solving programming questions. Lots of people do it all day, every ...


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FWIW, here's what I've done in the past: Upvote the answer. Thank the answerer for their great contribution and acknowledge that the answer does fit the problem as stated. Explain that while you think it's a good answer, it isn't the one you were looking for, and that this reflects a fault in your question, so you'll be revising your question. Revise your ...


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I don't think it's necessary to forbid spoiler markup. In brainteaser-style puzzles, there is often an essential idea that makes the answer obvious (often, the answer itself contains this idea); seeing it before thinking of it yourself thus "spoils" the puzzle. For that reason, I think it's perfectly acceptable for people to use spoilers to hide some or all ...


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I specifically include the disclaimer Puzzlers are politely encouraged to place answers in spoiler blocks to avoid spoiling the fun for other readers. at the end of a puzzle if there's a unique correct solution. It's often difficult to read through a question while constantly averting one's eyes from any solutions posted below it. Having answers in ...


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Our primary purpose for being here is ... If you disagree with this, then Stack Exchange is not for you. Rather than asking us as a community what we think the purpose of the site should be and how we should achieve it, you seem to be choosing to rule by fiat; it's your way or the highway. That's a shame. I'm very disappointed. I thought we had a good ...


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Titles What happened in Area 51: In Area 51, the example questions have no bodies, so they must be entirely self-contained only in the title. Most puzzles and riddles are impossible to be crammed to a single title. At least for me, I discarded some questions simply because I found no way to reduce them to only a title. In order to cram the most content in ...


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I had thought from Jaydles post that this question would be on topic, but it rapidly got downvotes: Which switch goes to which bulb? My opinion is that this is a specific brainteaser and it should be on topic.


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Let's take challenges somewhere else Many on the site enjoy solving and posing puzzles as challenges, and for some, it's the only reason they're here. Accidentally, a puzzle-solving community has started to grow, and it would be sad to lose that. And some have bemoaned that if this isn't the place to post puzzles, then where is? As the mods have explained,...


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I'm sad to see things turn out this way, but I can understand the reasoning behind this. I'm glad to see that a consistent policy has been chosen, even if it is a seriously restrictive one. I like good challenge questions, but their relative rarity is a pretty convincing argument for why they should be generally disallowed. This directly addresses the ...


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I personally love posing and solving puzzles, and PPCG is my favorite SE, but at this point I'm ready to support the ban on questions as challenges. I don't believe challenge questions are intrinsically bad for the site. Nor are they totally incompatible with the SE framework, as PPCG shows. But empirically, they have far lowered the site quality, and I don'...


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I think challenges of this type are a great idea ... but NOT posted as questions on the main site. TL;DR: encouraging creativity within certain pre-set guidelines is a great idea, but puzzles should be posted as puzzles, their answers as answers, and asking people to create a puzzle of a particular type would be way too broad as a question. Let's instead do ...


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This is kind of a meta-answer. I don't know what the right policy should be, but the policy needs to be consistent Here, I posted a puzzle and asked the community to solve it. I got 6 upvotes and a generally positive response Here, I posted a really challenging sudoku, and asked the community to solve it. It was rapidly closed I don't see a difference ...


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I feel that puzzle questions are helpful to the community, provided the answers contain explanations to the solution. In such cases, I personally feel upvotes should not be awarded for correct answers, but for the best explanations of those correct answers. No one benefits much from "just answers", such as "The amoeba has four hats." On the other hand, if ...


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I have commented a lot to the other answers in this thread, but there is one thing I think needs adding. (Therefore this posting.) Once a clear directions/goal of this site has been finalized one thing needs doing: Delete all questions not fitting this goal. Yes, this is harsh. Yes, this will destroy a lot of good content. (And all of my own puzzles.) Yes, ...


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In order to promote an environment of expertise, we need feedback answers. First, this includes those members of our community that dislike the "puzzle challenge" format and are upset that it seems that's all we do. In any community, it's important to include minority opinions. Second, other formats have problems. Lengthy critiques make comments a mess and ...


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Just to take the opposite view, I do think we should add spoilers tags, especially for questions that have very simple answers. Here's a question with a very simple answer, but a long and complicated solution I don't really want the answer to be easily visible unless people are actively trying to read the spoilers. But maybe having an entire post in ...


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THIS SIMPLY WON'T WORK! Honestly, I get what you're saying, I respect that you are trying to steer this site into a stack exchange format, but this is going to kill the site. I came here because I enjoy the site, and the puzzles on it, I enjoy asking and answering clever questions created by the community. It already is a Q&A format as long as ...


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I really appreciated the feedback on the example question. To me that was more useful than the actual answer to the puzzle - since I already knew that! :) I'd be very glad to have feedback as either a comment or an additional answer - please add the implicit question "what do you think of this puzzle and what should I change?" to all of my questions, thus ...


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I agree, and I think it would be helpful if one were able to change one's vote on a question without the question having been edited. Because sometimes it turns out that I haven't properly understood a puzzle until I see the answer.


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In most cases, I think adding an answer is fine, and even a Good ThingTM. We often do something similar for challenges on Programming Puzzles and Code Golf, and call it a reference answer (or something like that). As you say, it helps kick-start the game, but it also gives others an example to work from. Sometimes it's hard (despite your best effort) to ...


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For password puzzles, it's much better to err on the side of giving too much information. Puzzles like this or this erred the wrong way. Compare with my first password puzzle. I would say that, as a rule, if you post a password puzzle, and someone finds a simple explanation for the data that you didn't think of, then you should accept their answer anyway. ...


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I don't see any reason why the answer to one puzzle shouldn't be a clue to another puzzle. "Ric isn't a fan of this" doesn't seem (to me) like a good reason to ban it. OP could simply move on to another puzzle which he/she likes better. So long as each puzzle is valid as a standalone puzzle, I don't thing that it is the same thing as a multiple part riddle....


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So far I've seen far more puzzles posted than I had anticipated. I think we can clearly divide the questions on this site into A) questions about puzzles and B) questions that are puzzles. While B questions will certainly keep the site interesting, if they become dominant they will drown out the more meaty A questions. Looking into the future and ...


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I don't think it makes any sense to upvote wrong answers. The purpose of stackexchange is to provide correct answers. This is true even for puzzling.stackexchange. And it is the purpose for the upvote/downvote system to motivate users to write good question and answers. If an answer is not correct it can be repaired by the poster (or anyone else). Even if ...


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Code Golf is... unique. I believe Jeff called it and Code Review, when it launched, something along the lines of "an odd duck and a trial balloon." For both of these example questions, there is only one answer. It seems hard to think of a non-programming challenge that can have multiple answers. Most non-programming puzzles ask something like "what is the ...


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